Monday, 10 May 2010

great moments in mormon history revised

im going to take the liberty to update the great moments in mormon history with links and information regarding the sources to all of these claims. i think this list is great, but it cant really be used/trusted until each of these events is documented, imo.

heres the list:
Subject: Explain the Prophets (Great Moments in Mormon History)
Date: Apr 16 01:15 2003
Author: Deconstructor
From the research of church historian Michael C. Quinn in The Mormon Hierarchy : Extensions of Power:

Jan 23,1852 - Brigham Young instructs Utah Legislature to legalize slavery because "we must believe in slavery."
speech by governor young in joint session of the legislature giving counsel on a bill in relation to african slavery, given at salt lake city, on friday, january 23rd, 1852. (reported by george d. watt; byp, hdc)
The Teachings of President Brigham Young Vol. 3 1852–1854 By Fred Collier

brigham young goes on to say in that same speech:
this colored race have been subjected to severe curses, which they have in their families and their classes and in their various capacities brought upon themselves. ... i am a firm believer in slavery.

Feb 5,1852 - Brigham Young announces policy of denying priesthood to all those black African ancestry, even "if there never was a prophet, or apostle of Jesus Christ spoke it before" because "negroes are the children of old Cain....any many having one drop of the seed of Cain in him cannot hold the priesthood." Contrary to Joseph Smith's example in authorizing the ordination of Elijah Abel, this is LDS policy for the next 126 years.
speech by governor young (expressing his views on slavery) given in joint session of the legislature, at salt lake city, utah territory, thursday, february 5, 1852. (reported by george d. watt / byp, hdc; wilford woodruff / wwj 4:97-99)
The Teachings of President Brigham Young Vol. 3 1852–1854 By Fred Collier

Jan 3,1854 - Brigham Young invites Elijah Ablel, free black and ordained Seventy, to party with 98 other men in Social Hall. Some of these parties are male-only dances.

Nov 22,1855 - Brigham Young secretly ordains his eleven year old son John W. an apostle in connection with receiving the endowment. Young later ordains three other sons apostles.

Mar 21,1858 - Brigham Young tells this special conference that Joseph Smith disobeyed revelation by returning to Nauvoo to stand trial, that the church's founding prophet lost Spirit of God the last days of his life, and died as unnecessary martyr. He published this talk as pamphlet.

Dec 15,1958 - Young readily grants divorce to unhappy plural wives but requires husbands to pay him $10 fee. Young issues 1,600 certificates of divorce for unhappy polygamous marriages. (this equals 16 thousand dollars)

Aug 20,1859 - Brigham Young regarding slavery: "We consider it of devine institution, and not to be abolished until the curse pronounced on Ham shall have been removed from his descendants.

Sep 7,1859 - Salt Lake City clerk records sale of twenty six year old "negro boy" for $800 to William H. Hooper. Until federal law ends slavery in U.S. Territories in 1862, some African-American slaves are paid as tithing, bought, sold and otherwise treated as chattel in Utah.

Nov 18,1861 - Abraham Lincoln checks out Book of Mormon from Library of Congress. He returns it on 29 July 1862, apparently first U.S. president to read Book of Mormon.

Dec 10,1862 - Deseret News reports that Church Historian's Office is displaying sample of tobacco crops grown in Provo during past summer.

Oct 6,1863 - Brigham Young prophesies to general conference: "Will the present struggle (of the U.S. Civil War) free the slaves? No..... and men will be called to judgement for the way they have treated the negroe." The 13th Ammendment legally ends slavery in the United States in 1865.

May 15,1864 - Brigham Young preaches, "I don't want Mormonism to become to popular... we would be overrun by the wicked."

Dec 9,1869 - ZCMI Drug Stores advertises that is has just opened on Main Street with "Liquors, Draught and by the case."

Jun 18,1870 - First Counselor George A Smith tells Salt Lake School of Prophets about "the evil of masterbation" among Utah Mormons. Apostle Lorenzo Snow says that "plural marriage would tend to diminish the evil of self pollution and the indulgence on the part of men was less in plural marriage than in monogamy."

Sep 1,1870 - Salt Lake City's 9th Ward reports that only thirty one of its 181 families attends Sunday Services regularly and 50% of families are perfectly indifferent.

Jun 3,1871 - Salt Lake Tabernacle service: "Pres D.H. Wells spoke 25 minutes following Pres Young's remarks. Not very good attention. Considerable moving about, passing out, and drowsiness."

Jan 4,1877 - Joseph Smith's last born child David is committed to Illinois Hospital for the Insane. Proclaimed by Brigham Young in 1866 as rightful heir of LDS presidency, he has served as counselor on RLDS presidency since 1873. He dies in asylum in 1904.

Aug 29,1877 - Brigham Young dies. His last words are "Joseph, Joseph, Joseph!"

June 4,1879 - John Taylor and apostles decline to allow Elijah Abel to receive temple endowment because his is Negroid, even though Abel received Melchizedek priesthood with Joseph Smith's authorization. This African American regularly attends his Seventy's quorum meetings and serves proselyting mission just before his death.

Dec 27,1879 - Apostle Wilford Woodruff tells stake conference in Snowflake, Arizona, "There will be no United States in the year 1890."

Jan 9,1880 - Apostle Orson Pratt writes his children that city of New Jerusalem will be constructed by April 1950.

Jan 7,1882 - Apostle Francis M Lyman's diary begins recording month-long nervous breakdown of Heber J Grant, his successor as Tooele Stake President. Physician diagnoses Grant's condition as "nervous convulsions" and warns that condition could lead to "softening of the brain," if Grant continues his stressful pace of activity. Grant becomes apostle ten months later and is first LDS leader with diagnosed history of emotional illness.

Mar 31,1882 - John Taylor closes Church Historian's Office to public.

Mar 22,1884 - James E Talmage begins using hashish at Johns Hopkins University as "my physiological experiment" of its effects. By April 6 he is using twenty grains, "and the effect was felt in a not very agreeable way." This is last reference in his diary. Four months later he becomes member of stake high council.

May 17,1888 - At dedication of Manti Temple, Wilford Woodruff says, " We are not going to stop the practice of plural marriage until the Coming of the Son of Man."

Feb 27,1889 - LDS political newspaper Salt Lake Herald: "In 1870 Utah had second highest rate of divorce and in 1880 the tenth highest for all states and territories."

Jun 8, 1889 - Apostle Lorenzo Snow says that "his sister, the late Eliza R. Snow Smith, was a firm believer in the principle of reincarnation and that she claimed to have received if from the Joseph the Prophet, her husband. He said he saw nothing unreasonable in it, and could believe it, it it came from the Lord or His oracle."

Dec 5, 1891 - Stake President relates "incident of the Prophet Joseph telling Dimick B Huntington.....that Noah built the Ark in the land where South Carolina is now.

Nov 29,1893 - Presidents Wilford Woodruff and George Q Cannon meet with three apostles and James E Talmage: "That there will also be daughters of Perdition there is no doubt in the minds of the brethren."

Dec 7,1893 - First Presidency and Twelve decide that garments worn under clothing should be white. This is first departure of Utah temple garment from contemporary "Union Suit" which comes in various colors and upon which Utah "street garment" is based.

Apr 5,1894 - At meeting of First Presidency and apostles, Wilford Woodruff announces revelation which ends practice of adopting men to LDS leaders.

Apr 9,1894 - Death of Thomas C Sharp, principal conspirator in murder of Joseph and Hyrum Smith. He has had a successful career as mayor, judge, school principal and newspaper editor.

Apr 15,1894 - Juvenile Instructor publishes hymn "Our Mother in Heaven," which is phrased as prayer to the goddess.

May 18,1894 - In Salt Lake Temple, "Jane Elizabeth Manning (a Negro woman) is sealed as a servitor for eternity to the Prophet Joseph Smith." Joseph F Smith acts as proxy.

Aug 26,1894 - "First time a woman has spoken n the Salt Lake Tabernacle on the Sabbath at the regular service- the people don't know what to make of it-it must bode good for women." The speaker is a non-Mormon.

Oct 24,1894 - Wilford Woodruff and his two counselors each give approval for Apostle Abraham H Cannon to marry plural wife. In all, ten general authorities marry post-Manifesto plural wives by permission of church president or his counselors during next ten years.

Mar 1,1895 - Some non-Mormons are given tour of dedicated Salt Lake Temple interior.

Apr 7,1895 - Wilford Woodruff tells conference: "Cease troubling yourselves about who God is; who Adam is, who Christ is, who Jehova is. For Heaven's sake, let these things alone.

Aug 22,1895 - First Presidency and apostles decide to deny temple endowments to "Black Jane" Manning (James) because of her "negro blood."

Mar 12,1896 - First Presidency gives James E Talmage "an instruction to smoke tobacco to relieve his persistent insomnia."

Aug 23,1896 - Sugar House Ward congregation votes against man proposed as Bishop of new ward to divided from the old. Salt Lake stake president Angus M Cannon furiously shouts, "Sit down! and shut your mouths, you have no right to speak!" When Cannon engages in shouting match with dissenting congregation, a ward member and policeman threaten to arrest stake president for disturbing the peace. Cannon more calmly repeats his attempt but is voted down "again several times." Secretary of the First Council in attendance writes: "I have been taught that the appointing power comes from the priesthood and the sustaining power from the people and that they have the right of sustaining or not sustaining appointees."

Aug 26,1896 - Apostle Moses Thatcher begins treatment with Keeley Institute for his addiction to opium and morphine. First Presidency and apostles tolerated Thatcher as a "morphine fiend" and "opium eater", but on 26 July his family and friends considered involuntary commitment to treatment. His is most prominent drug addict in Mormon history. Twelve drop Thatcher from quorum membership on 19 Nov because of four year conflict over his insubordination in political matters, but Thatcher's drug addiction aggravates that conflict.

Nov 5,1896 - Apostle Lorenzo Snow's youngest plural wife bears his last child in Canada. At age 82 he is the oldest General Authority to father a child.

Jan 15,1897 - Apostle Brigham Young, Jr. temporarily resigns as vice-president of Brigham Young Trust Company because first counselor George Q Cannon allows its property to become " a first class" brothel on Commercial Street (now Regent Street), Salt Lake City. Apostle Heber J Grant is invited to its opening reception and is stunned to discover himself inside "a regular whore-house." This situation begins in 1891, and for fifty years church controlled real estate companies lease houses of prostitution.

Oct 7,1898 - At general conference Apostle John W Taylor reports that in one rural area, 80% of LDS marriages involve premarital sex.

Feb 7,1901 - Apostle Brigham Young, Jr writes that proposal to provide Utah's school children with smallpox vaccinations is "Gentile doctors trying to force Babylon into the people and some of them are willing to disease the blood of our children if they can do so, and they think they are doing God's service.

Mar 3,1901 - Lorenzo Snow promises Salt Lake temple workers that "some of us would go back to Jackson County, Missouri.

July 11, 1901 - First Presidency and apostles agree that Danish beer is not harmful or in violation of Word of Wisdom.

Nov 7,1901 - First Presidency decides there is no "rule in the church forbidding cousins to intermarry" and that first cousins can have temple marriages if they present civil license.

Apr 3,1902 - First Presidency and apostles read letter that U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt and Republican Part leader Mark Hanna guarantee they will arrange to defeat proposed constitutional amendment on polygamy and unlawful cohabitation. They expect Mormons to vote Republican in exchange.

Mar 26,1903 - Joseph F Smith tells apostles "there would be no daughters of perdition" in final judgement.

Oct 22,1903 - First Presidency and Twelve authorize purchase of twenty five acres of the original temple lot at Independency,Jackson County, Missouri Purchase is complete on 14 Apr 1904. These purchases continue throughout twentieth century.

Feb 20 1904 - First verified suicide of full time LDS missionary. He shoots himself as he is returning to Utah.

Mar 2,1904 - Before committee of U.S. Senate, Joseph F Smith testifies: "I have never pretended to nor do I profess to have received revelations. I never said that I had a revelation except so far as God has shown me that so-called Mormonism is God's devine truth, that is all."

Apr 14,1904 - First Presidency and apostles decide to resume sale of liquor at church resort of Saltair due to need for non-Mormon patronage.

Jan 10,1906 - First Council of Seventy instructs B.H.Roberts to go to Los Angeles for "recuperation from a weakness for liquor that had fastened itself upon him."

Oct 6, 1907 - At sustaining of church officers a man votes against Joseph F Smith because of his admitted violation of Utah's cohabitation law. Smith has him ejected from Salt Lake Tabernacle.

1904 - Church president instructs twelve apostles to walk through doorways in order of seniority.

1906 - Joseph F Smith pleads quilty to unlawful cohabitation for which he pays $300 fine.

1907 - General Conference votes to send twenty tons of flour to China for famine relief. This comes from Relief Society grain storgage program.

1909 - October at General Conference, Apostle George Albert Smith stops speaking after three minutes as he begins to "tremble and perspire." Apostle Reed Smoot referred two weeks earlier as Smith's "mental trouble." Since January Smith's diary has described symptoms of his eventual collapse. At age thirtynine he is first general authority whose debilitating mental problems cannot be attributed to senility. Hospitalized for ten weeks at Gray's Sanatarium in Salt Lake City, Smith does not recover from his emotional breakdown until 1913. Problem re-emerges in 1930's and in 1949-51.

1910 April - stake president writes of church members "complaining on account of so many Smiths being chosen." Recent conference sustained John Henry Smith as second counselor and President Smith's son, Joseph Fielding Smith, as new apostle. In addition to appointing his son Hyrum M. an apostle in 1901, Smith also appointed his son David A. Smith to Presiding Bishopric in 1907.

Oct 2,1910 - first anti-Mormon film, Victim of the Mormons ("Mormonens Offer"), opens in Copenhagen, Denmark. Film goes into international distribution, is publicly condemned by Apostle David O. McKay at next general conference. It is target of first censorship effort led by Utah governor (William Spry, LDS).

Jan 1913 - Deseret News favorably reviews One Hundred Years of Mormonism, first commercial film about Mormons made with cooperation of church officials. The 6 reel, 90 minute silent film features one of Brigham Young's grandsons in the role of his grandfather. During Joseph F. Smith presidency, Hollywood produces other silent features which portray Mormonism less favorably: A Trip to Salt Lake City (1905), The Mountain Meadow Massacre (1912), The Mormon (1912), Deadwood Dick Spoils Brigham Young(1915), Cecil B. DeMille's A Mormon Maid (1917), and The Rainbow Trail (1918).

Dec 17,1913 - death of Joseph Smith's last surviving plural wife, Mary E. Rollins Lightner. She helped save the still-unbound Book of Commandments from printing office set afire by mob in 1833. She witnessed adoption of 1835 D&C, which prohibited polygamy, and became secret plural wife of Joseph Smith at Nauvoo while still living with her non-Mormon husband.

Mar 22,1919 - "The Nigger" is the new production to be given at the Social Hall, proclaims Deseret News with explanation: "The Nigger" is distinctly Southern. It is a romance based on Southern ideals and the race problem.

Nov 11,1919 - Apostle James E Talmage attends Third Christian Citizenship Conference in Pittsburgh as delegate chosen by Utah's governor. Utah delegates are booed and hissed by 4,000 other delegates. Talmage hurriedly leaves after some delegates surround him and threaten to strip off his clothes in order to display his temple garments.

Jan 4,1922 - from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m., Brigham H Roberts presents detailed summary of textual and historical problems in Book of Mormon to combined meeting of First Presidency, apostles, and Seventy's presidents He recommends that these problems should be researched and publicly discussed.

May 17,1923 - May First Presidency and Twelve agree to alter temple undergarment worn outside temple:"buttons instead of strings; no collar;sleeves above the elbow and few inches below the knee adn a change in the crotch so as to cover the same." Mormons regard this as a dramatic change from endowment garment introduced by Joseph Smith.

Nov 26,1923 - Corporation of the President, successor of the Trustee-in -Trust as center of church financial operations.

Jan 21,1925 - Grand Lodge of Utah officially prophibits Mormons from membership in any of its Masonic lodges and provides for expulsion of any Mormons who are current members of any Utah lodge. Utah is only state with formal Masonic restricition against religious group or denomination. Some Mormons (primarily converts) affiliiate or preside in Masonic lodges outside Utah after 1925.

May 22,1925 - Deseret News editorializes in favor of new Utah law which leagalizes horse racing and pari-mutual betting. Legislature has appointed Brigham F. Grant as chair of Racing Commission. He is manager of Deseret News and brother of church president.

Feb 15,1927 - Apostle George F Richards notifies temples that it is decision of First Presidency and Quorum of Twelve to immediatley omit from prayer circles "all references to avenging the blood of the Prophets. Omit from the ordinance and lecture all reference to retribution." Letter also instructs to "omit the kissing" at the end of the proxy sealings.

Jan 19-20,1928 - Frederick M Smith, RLDS president, supervises disinterment of his martyred grandfather and granduncle, Joseph and Hyrum Smith, from coffinless burial place kept secret since 1844. They are reburied in coffins, one on each side of Emma Hale Smith Bidamon, next to Mansion House in Nauvoo.

Sept 24,1929 - Heber J Grant writes: "I am free to confess that I am disappointed with the Yosemite valley. It seems only about one-half as grand as the American Fork canyon of Utah.

Aug 16,1930 - Heber J Grant remarks that Apostle George Albert Smith "is getting very nervous. We don't want him to have another breakdown such as he had years ago, almost costing him his life." Apostle Smith doesn't begin describing his symptoms until Jan 1932, and year later writes,"My Nerves are nearly gone but am holding on the best I know how." Symptoms gradually subside and do not resume until he is church president.

April 2,1932 - Heber J Grant launches campaign against use of tobacco as part of his emphasis on observing Word of Wisdom by total abstinance from alcohol, tobacco, tea and coffee.

May 5,1932 - Apostle Stephen L Richards tells First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve that he will resign as apostle rather than apologize for his general conference talk which says church is putting too much emphasis on Word of Wisdom. He confesses his error to Heber J Grant on 26 may and retains his position.

July 29,1932 - death of George H Brimhall from self inflicted gunshot. He served as BYU President from 1904 to 1921 and is only BYU president to commit suicide.

Dec 9,1933 - Church Section article "Mormonism in The New Germany," enthusiatically emphasizes parallels "between the LDS Church and some of the ideas and policies of the National Socialists." First, Nazis have introduced "Fast Sunday." Second, "it is a very well known fact that Hitler observes a form of living which Mormons term the Word of Wisdom. Finally, due to the importance given to the racial question by Nazis and the almost necessity of proving that one's grandmother was not Jewess, there no longer is resistance against genealogical research b German Mormons who now have received letters of encouragment complimenting them for their patriotism.

Jan 25,1936 - Church Section photograph of LDS basketball team in Germany giving "Sieg Heil: salute of Nazi Party.

Oct 31,1936 - First Presidency publishes unsigned editorial in Deseret News, which argues against re-election of Democratic president Franklin D. Roosevelt. Editorial, written by J. Reuben Clark, accuses F.D.R. of unconstitutional and Communist activities. In response one thousand Mormons angrily cancel their subscriptions to the News. Three days later, 69.3 percent of Utah's voters help re-elect Roosevelt. Utah's electorate re-elects F.D.R. again (1940,1944), despite First Presidency's opposition.

Mar 29,1940 - First Presidency asks Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith to chair "Literature Censorship Committee authorized by Quorum of the Twelve last Thursday."

Mar 10,1941 - First Presidency orders Clayton Investment Company to get rid of its "whore-houses," no matter the financial loss, so that church affiliated company can merge with church owned Zion's Securities Corp. Ends fifty years of church's leases to brothels.

June 8,1941 - first counselor J Reuben Clark tells annual conference of youth and their leaders: "When I was a boy it was preached from the stand, and my father and mother repeated the principle to me time and time again. They said, 'Reuben, we had rather bury you than to have you become unchaste.' and that is the law of this Church."

June 1945 - Improvement Era states: "When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done." This is the ward teacher's message to all members for month. To inquiring Unitarian minister George Albert Smith writes that "not a few members of the Church have been upset in their feelings, and General Authorities have been embarrassed" by above statement. "Even to imply that members of the Church are not to do their own thinking is grossly to misrepresent the true ideal of the Church," he continues. However, church president's retraction reaches one non-Mormon, while original statement reaches entire LDS population without similar retraction.

Oct 6,1946 - public release of Joseph Fielding Smith (b. 1899) as Patriarch to Church due to "ill health" but actually due to discovery of his recent homosexual activity.
not to be confused with joseph f. smith (his grandfather) and joseph fielding smith (his uncle), both of whom were presidents of the lds church.


Oct 9,1946 - First Presidency and apostles decide to allow faithful African-American Mormons to receive patriarchal blessings, and Patriarch Eldred G Smith blesses black couple.

April 16,1948 - Apostle Mark E Petersen asks for permission to instruct local leaders to begin excommunication trials for persons he suspects of having disloyal attitudes towards LDS Church. First Counselor J Reuben Clark warns Petesen "to be careful about the insubordination or disloyalty question, because they ought to be permitted to think, you can't throw a man off for thinking."

Jan 20,1949 - President George Albert Smith begins week's stay in California Lutheran Hospital for his "tired nerves," which his diary first refers to at Oct 1948 general conference. He is first LDS president with history of severe emotional illness and hospitalization. He does not recover from this episode unitl mid May 1949, when able to be in First Presidency office at least half day. Smith is absent from church headquarters 12 Jan to 27 Feb 1950 to stay a Laguna Beach, California, "to rest my nerves." He returns there to recuperate again for ten days in March. Year later his nurse notes that church president is "very confused, very nervous." Ten days before his death, nurse adds that George Albert Smith is "irrational at times."

April 5,1949 - first counselor J Reuben Clark tells meeting of bishops: "I wish that we could get over being flattered into almost anything. If any stranger comes among us and tells us how wonderful we are, he pretty much nearly owns us."

Aug 17,1951 - First Presidency statement that church's restriction on negroid peoples receiving priesthood "is not a matter of the declaration of policy but of direct commandment from the Lord."

Oct 16,1951 - temple council of First Presidency, Quorum of Twelve Apostles and Patriarch to church decides to allow beer commercials on church owned KSL television station.

Nov 5,1951 - First Presidency learns of plans by Warner Brothers to make film about Mountain Meador Massacre, based on recent scholarly book by LDS Juanita Brooks. Within seven days First Presidency successfully persuades Hollywood studio to kill project.

Mar 3,1953 - First Presidency secretary answers Mormon's inquiry about receiving blood transfusions from African Americans:"The LDS Hospital here in Salt Lake City has a blood bank which does not contain any colored blood." This represents five year effort to keep LDS Hospital's blood bank separate from American Red Cross system in order "to protect the purity of the blood streams of the people of this Church"(Counselor J. Reuben Clark's phrase.)

March 30,1955 - Quorum of Twelve recommends establishment of separate unit or branch for African-american members in Salt Lake City.

April 10,1956 - non-LDS governor of Utah, J. Bracken Lee, speaks of his counsel to prominent non-Mormons: "I said to them you are never going to have any success in Utah unless you let the leaders of the Church give you some advice."

Dec 4,1959 - Budget Committee reports that church spent $8 million more than its revenues that year. As result church stops releasing annual reports of expenditures.

Jan 7-8,1960 - First Presidency decides that Bruce R. McConkie's Mormon Doctrine "must not be re-published, as it is full of errors and misstatements, and it is most unfortunate that it has received such wide circulation." They are exasperated that McConkie and his publisher released the book without pre-publication publicity or notifying First Presidency. Even his father-in-law, senior apostle, Joseph Fielding Smith, "did not know anything about it until it was published." This is McConkie's way to avoid repetition of Presidency's stopping his pre-announced Sound Doctrine three years earlier.

Committee of two apostles (Mark E Petersen and Marion G Romney) reports that McConkie's Mormon Doctrine contains 1,067 doctinal errors. For example, page 493 said: "Those who falsely and erroneously suppose that God is progressing in knowledge and gaining new truths cannot exercise sufficient faith in him to gain salvation until they divest themselves of their false beliefs." However, McConkie is affirming doctrine of omniscience officially condemned by previous First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles in 1865. In announcing their decision to the Twelve on 28 Jan 1960, First Presidency says there should be no revised edition of Mormon Doctrine. Presidency reverses initial decision on 7 Jan. "that the book should be officially repudiated."

By 28 Jan Presidency decides against requiring McConkie to make public apology because "it might lessen his influence" as general authority.

In 1966 year after his father-in-law becomes assistant counselor to First Presidency, McConkie publishes second edition of Mormon Doctrine. It corrects only a few of first edition "errors" cited by First Presidency and apostles in 1960. Book becomes best seller among Latter-day Saints. McConkie becomes member of Quorum of Twelve Apostles to fill vacancy which his father-in-law's death creates in 1972.

Nov 10,1960 - Brigham Young University's president tells Executive Committee of BYU's trustees "about a colored boy on campus having been a candidate for the vice presidency of a class and receiving a very large vote." The three apostles present want to exclude all African Americans from BYU. "If a granddaughter of mine should ever go the BYU and become engaged to a colored boy," Apostle Harold B Lee fumes, "I would hold you responsible."

May 14,1961 - Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith announces to stake conference in Honolulu: "We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it." Smith, the Twelve's president and next in succession as LDS President, adds: "The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen." In May 1962, he privately instructs that this view be taught to "the boys and girls in the Seminary System." On 20 July 1969 U.S. Astronauts are first men to walk on moon. Six months later Joseph Fielding Smith becomes church president.

June 22,1961 - First Presidency supports plan to persuade U.S. Army to send its "colored contingents" to California rather than to Utah. At its same meeting Presidency agrees to allow baptism of Nigerians seeking membership in church.

Feb 3,1962 - Church News Headlines, "MIA Bans The Twist," popular dance among teenagers and young adults. This prohibition is widely ignored by youth and even by adult leaders in some wards and stakes, especially in Britian and Europe.

May 25,1962 - Boyd K Packer is first to earn regular doctorate while serving as general authority. He receives Ed.D. degree from Brigham Young University.

Sep 19,1962 - First Presidency rules that prominent Egyptian polygamist can be baptized because polygamy is legal in Egypt. This is in reference to "an earlier ruling in the matter of Indians who had married more than one wife and it was decided that they may be baptized, if they were legally married according to their tribal customs.

Oct 27,1962 - in midst of Cuban Missle Crisis, Apostle Ezra Taft Benson publicly endorses John Birch Society as "the most effective non-church organization in our fight against creeping socialism and godless communism," and his son Reed A Benson announces that he is Utah coordinator of the society.

Jan 1,1964 - "Home Teaching" replaces traditonal "ward teacing" program of monthly visits of priesthood men to church members. This begins new emphasis on family life which subtly (yet fundamentally) replaces previous priorities of God, Church and family with new ranking of family, church and God.

Feb 29,1964 - after forty one years teaching in Church Education System, George S. Tanner writes that " a large majority" of CES teachers are so narrow and ignorant that it is a shame to have them indoctinating our young people. I would much rather my sons and daughters go to other schools in the state than have them led by these religious fanatics."

Apri 15,1964 - Daryl Chase, Mormon president of Utah State University, confides that "the LDS church has a greater strangle hold on the people and institutions of the state now than they had in Brigham's time. Complete academic freedom is actually non-existent."

March 3,1965 - Apostle Harold B Lee is "protesting vigorously over our having given a scholarship at the BYU to a negro student from Africa. Brother Lee holds the traditional belief as revealed in the Old Testament that the races ought to be kept together and that there is danger in trying to integrate them on the BYU campus.

April 29,1965 - BYU President Ernest L Wilkinson makes first reference in his diary to receiving reports from student "spy ring" he has authorized and which becomes national scandal within ten months.

July 1967 - Priesthood Bulletin prohibits women from praying in sacrament meeting.

Nov 27,1967 - New York Metropolitan Museum of Art gives to LDS church the Egyptian papyri upon which Joseph Smith based "Book of Abraham" in Pearl of Great Price. Egyptologists, LDS and non-LDS, verify that these papyri are typical "Book of Breathings" in form and content.

June 33,1967 - BYU's president receives "confidential draft" by Terry Warner, professor of philosophy and religion, that "freedom of speech as it is known today is a secular concept and has no place of any kind at the BYU."

Nov 19,1967 - BYU's administration discuss possibility of taking legal action to close down off campus student newspaper.

Dec 19,1967 - BYU's Daily Universe publishes article in favor of recruiting African American athletes. BYU's president writes: "This agures all the more in favor of our making the student newspaper an agency of our Communications Department rather than a student publication." Universe ceases to be independent student paper on 18 Apr 1969, but "nothing would be announced about this new policy."

Sep 14,1971 - Apollo 15 astronauts present to President Joseph Fielding Smith a Utah state flag that has traveled with them to the moon.

May 13,1972 - May Presidency letter that "fluoridation of public water supplies to prevent tooth decay" is on of the "non-moral issues" that Mormons should vote on "according to their honest convictions." John Birch Society, which Apostle Ezra Taft Benson and many other Mormons support, is condemning fluoridation as Communist "plot."

April 6,1974 - April conference sustains Neal A Maxwell as Assistant to the Twelve, first general authority who previously worked for U.S. Government's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Maxwell becomes member of the twelve in 1981.

Aug 14,1976 - New York Times reports U.S. patent granted to Mormons G. Richard Jacobs, Cluff Peck, Dean G. Doderquist for "speaking mannequins" at LDS information centers.

Nov 1,1977 - Spencer W Kimball dedicates Osmond Family Studio in Orem, Utah.

Feb 15,1978 - First Presidency letter that Mohammed and Confucius "received a portion of God's light."

June 9,1978 - First Presidency announces "priesthood now available to all worthy male members." First Presidency secretary Francis M Gibbons writes that this change "seemed to relieve them of a subtle sense of guilt they had felt over the years."

June 17,1978 - Church News headline "Interracial Marriage Discouraged" in same issue which announces authorization of priesthood for those of black African descent. Sources at headquarters indicate that Apostle Mark E Petersen requires this emphasis.

Dec 29,1978 - First Presidency allows women to pray in sacrament meetings again.

August 1979 - church's Ensign magazine publishes first counselor N. Eldon Tanner's statement:"When the prophet speaks the debate is over," which echoes Improvement Era's message of June 1945.

Feb 7,1980 - Dallin H Oaks, president of BYU, is chair of board for television's Public Broadcasting Service. He continues as PBS Chair after his appointment to Twelve in April 1984.

March 2,1980 - introduction of "Consolidated Meeting Schedule" of three-hours on Sundays. This eliminates week-day meetings of auxiliaries, as well as traidtional twice daily Sunday meetings. This eases transportation and weekly scheduling but erodes fellowshipping opportunities and diminshes tightly knit social environment of LDS Wards. By 1996, tis has severely diminshed emotional ties of North American Mormon youth to LDS community, eroding what is called "Mormon ethnic identity." Most dramatic manifestation of this trend is fact that for first time in Mormon history, young women cease LDS participation at greater percentages than young men (according to general authority Jack H. Goaslind's statement in BYU Daily Universe, 31 Aug 1992). Likewise, despite absolute increase in missionary numbers, proportion of Mormon males who accept full time missions has decreased significantly in North America.

July 3,1981 - after nearly eleven years of losing advertising revenues, Deseret News begins publishing ads for R-rated movies.

August 22,1981 - Apostle Boyd K Packer instructs BYU religion faculty, all seminary and institute teachers, and administrators of Church Education System that Mormon history, "if not properly written or properly taught,may be a faith destroyer," and he affirms that Mormon historians are wrong in publicizing controversial elements of Mormon past. BYU Studies publishes this address in full. At request of students, BYU history professor gives his perspective on Elder Packer's talk and role of historical inquiry to meeting of BYU's history majors. Summarized within days by off-campus student newspaper Seventh East Press, this conflict between some apostles and some Mormon historians is subject of Feb 1982 Newsweek article which quotes BYU professor that "a history which makes LDS leaders flawless and benignly angelic would border on idolatry."

Oct 1,1981 - New York Times reports official announcement that new edition of Book of Mormon changes prophecy that Lamanites will "become white and delightsome." Instead of continuing original reference to skin color, new edition emphasizes inward spirituality: "become pure and delightsome."

Oct 31,1981 - Apostle Bruce R McConkie preaches to combined stakes of BYU that second coming of Jesus Christ will not be in his lifetime or in lifetime of his children or his grandchildren. This runs contrary to the common folk belief that Christ will come in year 2000 or shortly thereafter.

Jan 5,1982 - First Presidency repeats its 1978 instructions for "interviewing married persons" but adds: "The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice."
Subject: EXPLAIN THE PROPHETS - PART II (1982-1996)
Date: Apr 17 08:56
Author: Deconstructor
Mail Address:
March 2,1982 - in televised sermon at BYU Apostle Bruce R McConkie denounces "spiritually immature: students and other Mormons who devote themselves to gaining a special personal relationship with Christ." He criticizes widely circulated book on that topic by popular religion professor George Pace who writes public letter of apology within days and is released as stake president shortly thereafter.

April 2,1982 - First Presidency announces service of male missionaries is reduced from 24 months to 18 months. "It is anticipated that this shortened term will make it possible for many to go who cannot go under present financial circumstances," counselor Gordon B Hinckley explains. "This will extend the opportunity for missionary service to an enlarged body of our young men." Instead annual number of new missioinaries level off. Annual convert baptisms decline more than 7 percent each year rather than increase by same proportion as before.

Jan 11,1983 - second counselor Gordon B. Hinckley pays document dealer Mark Hofmann $15,000 for alleged Joseph Smith letter about his treasure digging activities. He has Hofmann agree not to mention the transaction to anyone else and then he sequesters document in First Presidency's vault. First Presidency does not acknowledge its existence unitl Los Angeles Times is about to release story about document, which Hofmann later admits he forged.

April 15,1983 - University Post: The Unofficial Newspaper of Brigham Young University reports interview with director of Standards Department. He acknowledges that students suspected of cheating, illegal drug use, stealing, or homosexuality are expelled from BYU if they refuse to take polygraph examination. BYU Security has licensed polygraph examiner.

Oct 7,1984 - Ronald E Poelman gives general conference talk stressing need of central headquarte

Nov 26,1984 - First Presidency announces that as of 1 January mission service for young men will return to 24 months.

May 5,1985 - LDS Astronaut Don Lind administers sacrament in zero gravity Skylab 3.

June 9,1985 - Church headquarters telephones bishops in Utah, Idaho and Arizona with instructions to forbid discussion of Linda Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery's biography Mormon Enigma:Emma Hale Smith in Relief Society or other church meetings. Lasting for ten months, this ban is apparently what triples book's sales.

April 4,1987 - First Counselor Gordon B Hinckley tells priesthood session of conference that "marriage should not be viewed as a therapeutic step to solve problems such as homosexual inclinations of practices..." This reverses decades long policy formulated by Spencer W. Kimball.

Oct 2,1988 - Michaelene P Grassli, general Primary President, is first woman to speak in general conference in 133 years.

Oct 12,1989 - Deseret News reports that representative of Eli Lilly pharmaceutical company confirms that Utah has highest per-capita use in nation of anti-depressant Prozac.

April 1,1991 - student at BYU's commencement offers prayer to "Our Mother and Father in Heaven."

April 17,1991 - Chronicle of Higher Education reports that Utah "ranks last in proportion of students who are female" throughout the United States. This is result of Utah's "traditions that inhibit the educational progress of women."

Aug 9,1991 - Salt Lake Tribune article, "Of LDS Women, 58% Admit Premarital Sex."

April 4,1992 - Apostle Richard G Scott tells general conference that LDS women should avoid "morbid probing into details of past acts, long buried and mercifully forgotten," and that "the Lord may prompt a victim to recognize a degree of responsibility for abuse."

Among his concluding remarks: "Remember, false accusation is also a sin," and 'bury the past." Unspoken background to his remarks is that in recent years current stake presidents and temple workers have been accused of child abuse by their now adult children. Salt Lake Tribune reports that suicide prevention lines are swamped with telephone calls by women in days after Scott's remarks.

Aug 8,1992 - Salt Lake Tribune reports that First Presidency's spokesman has acknowledged existence of special "Strengthening the Members Committee" that keeps secret files on church members regarded as disloyal. Due to publicity on this matter, including New York Times, Presidency issues statement on 13 Aug. defending organization of this apostle-directed committee as consistent with God's commandment to Joseph Smith to gather documentation about non-Mormons who mob and persecute LDS Church. Presidency lists Apostles James E. Faust and Russell M. Nelson as leading the committee.

May 18,1993 - Apostle Boyd K Packer tells All-Church Coordinating Council that LDS church faces three major threats: "The dangers I speak of come from the gay-lesbian movement, the feminist movement (both of which are relatively new), and the ever-present challenge from the so-called scholars or intellectuals."

June 27,1993 - counselor Gordon B. Hinckley dedicates former Hotel Utah as new Joseph Smith Memorial Building to serve primarily as additional office space for LDS central bureaucracy. Its large theatres also begin showing devotional film, "Legacy" (about Mormon pioneers), scripted by Academy award-winner Keith Merrill according to Hinckley's instruction:"I want them to leave the theatre crying."

Nov 6,1994 - Apostle M. Russell Ballard tells 25,000 students at BYU that general authorities"will not lead you astray. We cannot." This claim of infallibility is officially published, and he repeats it to another BYU devotional meeting in March 1996.

May 3,1995 - agreement between LDS church and American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors "over the issue of posthumous baptisms of Jewish Holocaust victims." First Presidency agrees to "remove from next issue of International Genealogical Index [public-acess record only] names of all known posthumously baptized Jewish holocaust victims,"and "to discontinue any further baptisms of deceased Jews, including all lists of Jewish Holocaust victims who are know Jews, except if they were direct ancestors of living members of the Church."
Sept 1995 - Ensign magazine publishes First Presidency message by second counselor James E. Faust which denounces "the false belief of inborn homosexual orientation." Next month's Ensign contains what appears as one apostle's direct challenge to First Presidency's unequivocal statement. In his October article "Same-Gender Attraction," Dallin H. Oaks writes: "There are also theories and some evidence that inheritance is a factor in susceptibilities to various behavior-related disorders like aggression, alcoholism, and obesity. It is easy to hypothesize that inheritance plays a role in sexual orientation."
fausts talk: liahona november 1995
oaks: liahona march 1996

1996 Fall, Brigham Young University Studies publishes study by two sociologists who analyze 1,384 questionnaires submitted by LDS "householders," including discovery that LDS men are more likely to think they are going to heaven ("celestial kingdom") than women think of themselves. Men are less likely to attend church or pray privately than women.

when did masturbation become a sin in the mormon church?

masturbation is not once mentioned in any of the standard works and is not even mentioned in the corpus of LDS General Conference talks (1851-2010) until the 1960's:

http://corpus.byu.edu/gc/

search for "masturbat*" (without quotes)

It was Spencer W. Kimball who first made it into an issue.

The following is supposedly from D. Michael Quinn's book, 'The Mormon Hierarchy : Extensions of Power':
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18 June, 1870 - First counselor George A. Smith tells Salt Lake School of the Prophets about "the evil of Masturbation" among Utah Mormons. Apostle Lorenzo Snow says that "Plural Marriage would tend to diminish this evil self-pollution," and he believes that "indulgence on the part of men was less in Plural marriage than in Monogamy."
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great moments in mormon history

where did the book of mormon come from?

there are 2 different explanations:
1. stone in the hat story
2. translating gold plates

the lds church claims that it is a combination of these 2 although they only teach about the "translating of the golden plates". you will not find any mention of the stone in the hat story in any classroom manuals. the only way i found out about it was reading "anti-mormon" literature. i recently found that the stone in the hat story is only mentioned 2 times in general conference talks in the entire gospel library.

in a talk given by russell nelson called A Treasured Testament he even begins by saying:
The details of this miraculous method of translation are still not fully known.
!!! and even more interesting is that his first example of an account of translation isnt even a translation, but is about joseph smith looking at a stone inside of hat!:
Yet we do have a few precious insights. David Whitmer wrote:

“Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something resembling parchment would appear, and on that appeared the writing. One character at a time would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was his principal scribe, and when it was written down and repeated to Brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear. Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, and not by any power of man.” (David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, Richmond, Mo.: n.p., 1887, p. 12.)
i can only wonder what was going on in the minds of church members hearing this for the first time? note that this account was given almost 60 years after the supposed translation.

then nelson goes on to example number 2:
Emma Smith, who acted as an earlier scribe for Joseph, gave this account in 1856:

“When my husband was translating the Book of Mormon, I wrote a part of it, as he dictated each sentence, word for word, and when he came to proper names he could not pronounce, or long words, he spelled them out, and while I was writing them, if I made any mistake in spelling, he would stop me and correct my spelling although it was impossible for him to see how I was writing them down at the time. Even the word Sarah he could not pronounce at first, but had to spell it, and I would pronounce it for him.

“When he stopped for any purpose at any time he would, when he commenced again, begin where he left off without any hesitation, and one time while he was translating he stopped suddenly, pale as a sheet, and said, ‘Emma, did Jerusalem have walls around it?’ When I answered, ‘Yes,’ he replied, ‘Oh! [I didn’t know.] I was afraid I had been deceived.’ He had such a limited knowledge of history at that time that he did not even know that Jerusalem was surrounded by walls.” (Edmund C. Briggs, “A Visit to Nauvoo in 1856,” Journal of History, Jan. 1916, p. 454.)
here are 2 things to note:
* there is absolutely no mention of how joseph was translating. it just says that he was translating; emma smith does not say here: "as joseph read from the gold plates, i wrote a part of it"
* deceived? by who, god? did he think he had been deceived while "translating" by the "power of god"? this leads one to believe that joseph was using divination to create the book of mormon with the help of some unknown entity/spirit who he didnt know whether or not he could trust.

then nelson shares this example:
On another occasion, Emma Smith recorded:
“The plates often lay on the table without any attempt at concealment, wrapped in a small linen tablecloth, which I had given him to fold them in. I once felt of the plates as they thus lay on the table, tracing their outline and shape. They seemed to be pliable like thick paper, and would rustle with a metallic sound when the edges were moved by the thumb, as one does sometimes thumb the edges of a book.” (“Last Testimony of Sister Emma,” Saints’ Herald, 1 Oct. 1879, p. 290; spelling modernized.)
* "without any attempt at concealment" except for the fact that she says she felt something that felt like metal plates wrapped (concealed) inside a piece of cloth. note that this account, for some reason, came 50 years after the supposed translation took place. and again, here she does not say: "i saw gold metal plates with reformed egyptian hieroglyphics on them."

i find it odd that nelson doesnt mention the accounts of the 3 and 8 witnesses.

i think its funny how although none of the examples nelson gives here support a translation account of reading from gold plates, that the talk in the printed version includes a picture of joseph smith reading from gold plates (without a urim and thummim), separated by a sheet nonetheless, with oliver cowdery on the other side. i think the article should have also included a picture of joseph smith with his head buried in a hat.

and im surprised that this talk was even allowed to be given!: by the gift and power of god

additional recommended reading: translation or divination?

see if you can find a single picture of the version of translation where joseph reads from the stone in the hat in the gospel library media/artwork resource center in the scriptures section.
ill spare you the trouble, there isnt a picture of this account.

think positive

yesterday i planned to take my kids to the traveling carnival downtown. when we had driven all the way down there i had forgotten that i had loaned my card to my wife so we had to drive all the way back home to get it. my wife gave me my card and 100 kroner in cash cause i felt i should take some cash with me for some reason. we drove back to downtown and when i went to take out some cash i only had 122 on my card and the machine wouldnt let me take out any less than 200 so i was like "grrrr". i knew that it would cost more than 100 to get 3 tickets for the kids to go on at least 1 ride each, so as we were walking over to the carnival i decided to think positive and see what happens. i thought to myself "i might be able to pay with my card" although i wasnt sure. it turned out that they did have a card terminal, but they were closing in 10 minutes so for some reason they couldnt use it, so i looked the guy in the booth straight in the eyes and kindly asked "i have 3 kids here and i only have 100 kroner, im short 20, is there any way you could give me a deal?" and he said "well if i have 20 kroner in my pocket" and he reached into his pocket and to his and my surprise he had a 20 kroner coin and he put it on the table and gave us 3 tickets =) my oldest child really wanted to go on the roller coaster (it wasnt a big one, but for them it was big) so all 3 of them got on. i was a little worried about my youngest though and sure enough once it started to go he looked really uneasy and pretty soon started to yell for me and cried the whole way =) luckily it was only 3 rounds =) but when we got home he seemed proud of himself and told my wife about it and said "tør du det mamma?" (do you dare to do that mamma?) =)

the funny thing was that my wife was saying she didnt want to go to the carnival because she thought the men looked like criminals, but the guy at the booth was at least really nice and actually gave us money =)

Friday, 7 May 2010

separation of church and state? mormon prophets doing freemason handshakes with US leaders

i found an interesting picture of president monson and george w bush doing the masonic/patriarchal grip handshake.
(this was taken originally from a salt lake tribune article which has since been removed...)

and heres one of dick cheney and gordon b hinckley doing the same handshake.

ezra taft benson related to co-founder of skull and bones alphonso taft

heres the taft family pedigree

Q. now my question is was ezra taft benson a member of skull and bones?

A. i doubt it, ezra taft benson didnt go to yale.

Tuesday, 4 May 2010

my goetic evocation experience of the demon duke of hell Bune / Buné / Bim / Bime

i did an evocation last night (20100502) of Bune.

here are some resources that i read before doing the evocation:
goetia (scroll down to bune)
allan fullers evocation of bune
everyones tired of bune
the many faces of bune
physical evocation of bune dream followup
conjure sorcery with bune
evp and evocation (bune mentioned)
bune
bune (wikipedia)

i didnt do the lbrp or use a circle. i opened simply with a prayer to god for protection and also during the evocation i commanded bune to not do me or anyone around me or anyone i love any harm. i didnt use a triangle either, i simply placed my black scrying mirror on a chair in front of me.

my intention with this was to not limit myself psychologically. also for the sake of science, to see how it would go since i havent found very many practitioners writing about doing it this way, ive most read about great warnings and caution and scare-stories. i also took no regard for time or astrological implications. i performed the ritual last night, 20100502 at about 2 am. according to my computer clock i used about 2 hours and 15 minutes trying to get a response, stating my will, etc and also meditating. but i swear it seemed only like i was only operating for like a half hour, it was crazy.


i just drew both of his sigils onto normal white paper instead of using a kind of metal (also i had no access to anything else) and had them in my hands, as well as a wand, made by athena from enochian.org. i also had made a little talisman from the book of power (from the book the secret lore of magic), supposedly something solomon had used to ward off evil and to serve as protection when worn on the left arm:
s d d d c
h t l t b
s d d d c
h t l t b

since i didnt have any tape or safety pins i was like "how in the heck am i going to fasten this to my arm?" then i got an idea to just fold up my sleeve once and then stick the paper talisman down into the fold =)

i did feel a good light energy around me during the operation . i felt safe. at one point i remember hearing a small hissing sound (i hadnt really heard anything at all around here, it is so quiet at this hotel) and my fight or flight kicked in for a split second out of pure normal reaction to something new and i flinched for a half second, then smiled, but i dont remember feeling afraid, just startled. i dont know what the sound was or if it was something outside. anyways i just continued after that.

at one point i thought i might have heard his dark voice inside my talking to me, but i wasnt sure if it was just me or not, but i remember the voice was definitely distinct sounding and not my voice, but again, im not sure if it was me or not creating the voice. but actually now that i think of it i am almost sure that it was him at least at one point because i remember i was struggling to know how to pronounce his name, i was kind of switching between bune (pronounced boon) and buné (pronounced boon-ay) and bim (i had read somewhere that he was also know as that name) and i distinctly remember a thought/voice entering my head, that wasnt my own saying "just use bim instead, then theres no confusion", because i was asking him how to pronounce his name.

at certain points i kind of felt a presence of some kind of energy (and i also often got chills), but i ended with a command that he do my will that i had expressed to him and gave him a deadline by next sunday, all the while showing respect, but still being authoritative.

i ended by simply banishing all ill-intended energies and entities from my hotel room, then i drew in the air with my wand a pentagram and a hexagram. before i started i turned on my zoom h4n recorder and pushed record. to my dismay i had forgotten to push record a second time to actually start recording! grrrrrrrr. i wanted to see if i could pick up any evp during the operation. i am pretty disappointed about missing out on that.

the whole working was impromptu and i said what i felt, i followed no script and had not written anything down. i concentrated many times on not blinking while staring at the black scrying mirror and also at the sigils (as suggested by carrol poke runyon) and one time while staring at the more complicated sigil everything around the sigil got super white and bright whereas i could almost only see the sigil and i felt like i was drifting into some other dimension, it was crazy, it was as if this world around me was fading away. this lasted for maybe 2-3 minutes. it was interesting, i dont know for sure, but i feel like i was able to delay blinking for like 7-10 minutes at a time, and its like its a little difficult up to a certain point and then its like once you pass that point then it isnt difficult at all and you feel like you can just keep going and going. i eventually would blink willingly to try the retinal burn thing where i superimpose the sigil onto the black mirror.

i also remember a couple of minutes after i was finished, getting a sharp pain inside my head, like headache pain, but only for a split second, like 2 or 3 times. this was exactly what happened last time i tried to evoke a different duke in the bathroom at work, totally impromptu as well, with no circle or anything.

oh yeah, the holy names i felt comfortable working with, evocating by and banishing by are: almighty god, elohim, adonai and agla. i am still personally unsure about jesus/christ/jehova, etc so i didnt use any of those names.


i did a follow up quick conjuration of bune again today (20100503) at about 17:30 and just appended to my will that bune was to carry it out without any negative consequences and without any harm to anyone i love, to anyone in my family (notice the distinction? =) and to any of my friends.

i also set up a little "altar" here in my hotel room on a chair in the corner, with both his sigils resting on top of a larger piece of paper with some instructions/help for bune so he knows at least one area he can try to succeed in to help me, but ultimately the results are up to him, i just wrote out a suggestion for him.

i have to say, i have been feeling a type of "bombardment" on my mind/head ever since the first evocation, coming and going, when i enter the hotel even, and whenever i think about bune. i dont remember feeling anything last night when i went outside in the city and walked around looking for a restaurant with an open kitchen (ive completely switched my day around since i got here, sleeping during the day and "working" at night) i have decided to do an LBRP before i leave the hotel, for their sake. when i meditate though this "pressure" on my mind seems to go away. i dont know if it is my own imagination that is the cause of it, but i have never felt anything like this before.

i guess maybe i should add a warning to anybody thinking about attempting what i did:
***dont try it unless you feel you know what you are getting into.***

i am wondering if maybe i have a "gift" (here me out, im not trying to be proud), or rather i am different than other people i have read about. i recently purchased something from a well-respected practitioner of a certain type of magick. if i wrote this persons name here, many people would know who this person is. ill call this person Larry. i received this item from Larry with a warning not to touch a specific part of it because it is charged with very dangerous forces/energies. i have actually brushed up against this item by accident several times and have felt nothing. i told Larry this and that i dont feel any particular energy from this item at all and he said "that is strange, because i (larry) have never felt a stronger energy from anything i have ever made before. it is actually a good thing then that you dont feel anything because it wont affect you negatively or at least to the degree it would affect other people."

i share this because after thinking about this maybe a warning is in place. maybe not everybody is able to perform an evocation in the manner i described. people are different and tolerate different levels of energy.

update 20100504: i now got the idea today that maybe these sensations in my head are due to me stopping my anti-depression meds while ive been on vacation? ill wait to take them until i get home to see if they continue or not before i start taking my meds again.

update 20100519: the headaches were from me not taking my medication. it has happened several times after this first experience when i have forgotten to take my meds.

read my second bim evocation experience (ill call him bim from now on, instead of bune, since i felt that is what he told me (as a voice in my mind) to call him during the first evocation)

reconnective healing experience


a couple of days ago my wife did 2 successive sessions of (eric pearl) reconnective healing on me over 2 days. when she started the first session i immediately smelled a weird burning smell. i didnt notice anything else, other than being very relaxed, although i did feel for a short moment an upward pulling sensation on my left leg once.

then i had 2 very interesting experiences with food the other day =) at breakfast i decided to eat some cereal with milk and yoghurt and immediately after starting to eat it (and actually while i was putting it into the bowl) i felt like my body didnt want it, like it was going to make me sluggish so i stopped eating it (i have been eating cereal for 30 years btw). then later on in the evening i found a little grocery store and i was picking out some snacks and food to eat tonight after i got back to my hotel room and i could seriously feel when i picked up certain things that my body didnt want it, like it was pushing the food item away or like 2 magnets with the same pole + to + or - to -, how they push away from each other... pretty weird huh? =)

maybe the reconnective healing has altered me in some way?

my book review of the pendulum kit by sig lonegren


i just had a very interesting experience with my own modified version of the three coins exercise on page 27:
i took three 10 cent euro coins and placed them in a triangle formation. one coin was dated 1999, another 2000 and the third 2002. the point of the experiment was to find the coin that had the 2002 date on it.

not knowing which coin was where i told the pendulum to oscillate between the 2 coins that did not have the date 2002 on them. this experiment should then ideally only require one round to find the 2002 coin. it should be the coin that the pendulum does *not* oscillate to.

experiment 1:
it oscillated between 2 coins. when i looked at the 3rd coin, it did not have the date 2002 on it. it should have been the 2002 coin. i decided to try again only this time with the 2 remaining coins and repeated the same command, so i placed the pendulum at the point where the 3rd coin was previously and asked the pendulum to now oscillate towards the coin that did not have the date 2002 on it. this time it oscillated towards the coin that did not have the date 2002 on it. i.e. the first round it gave the wrong answer and the second round it gave the correct answer.

experiment 2:
this time i decided to do the exact same thing only treat the first answer which was "wrong" as the right answer (ultimately picking out the coin with the 2002 date on it using the pendulum). i got the same result this time as well. the first answer was wrong and the second answer was right.

run 3:
i got the exact same result, a third time in a row! the 2002 coin was among the first 2 coins and the second round, it was the coin that the pendulum *didnt* oscillate towards.

wrong first, right the second time. what an interesting pattern! it repeated itself 3 times in a row, 100% effective.

update: i just tried the same thing again and the same pattern emerged for the 4th consecutive time! false the first time and true the second time =)

wow, very interesting. i continued reading in the book and it says on page 28:
put the coin on the table heads up, and hold your pendulum over it. it will go from the search position into your yes response. now turn the coin over, and see how your pendulum goes into a no response. (these responses could be reversed -- it doesnt matter.)
how funny =) thats exactly what i just experienced.

update: now i just tried the "heads up" exercise on page 28. i got the "wrong" answer 7 times out of 10. according to the book this is statistically important. (the 10 cent euro coin had the year 2000 on it). although, i didnt do the experiment 100% correctly because the book says to have a friend who records whether it landed heads or tails and to not let you know the results before the end. i had to keep track of the results myself, so i could see how well the pendulum was responding. ill have to try it again later, with a friend.


update 20100504

pendulum exercises:

1. flip the coin then divine without looking at the result.
year 2000 coin. is it heads up?
3 correct out of 10

2. divine before the coin is tossed.
year 2000 coin. will it be heads up?
6 correct out of 10

3. divine before the coin is tossed. arm resting on thigh. previously arm was held in the air.
year 2000 coin. will it be heads up?
7 correct out of 10

4. coin toss, call it on the back of my hand. no pendulum. only intuition.
7 correct out of 10

5. divine before the coin is tossed. arm resting on thigh. previously arm was held in the air.
year 2000 coin. will it be heads up? is this answer the truth?
1 correct out of 5
this is the closest extreme!


on my plane ride home from holland last night i did an experiment with playing cards:
i put the cards A, 2, and 3 of spades face down and shuffled so i didnt know which was which and placed them on my lap.
i held the pendulum over each one asking "is this the ace of spades?" until i got a yes, asking after every question "is this the truth?"
i did this test 2 times and found the ace both times!


update 20100505

i repeated the playing card test today using the same cards.
round 1: it answered correctly the first card i placed the pendulum over, but i decided this time to check the other ones just in case and the second card i chose the pendulum oscillated stronger so i figured it was that one, but i turned it over and it was the 3.
i then turned the first card over that i got a yes on and it was the ace =)

then things got weird.
round 2: i felt drawn to a specific card so i put the pendulum over it and asked if it was the ace and followed up with the truth question, confirming that "no" this wasnt the ace. i turned the card over and it was the ace.
i decided to try again, the third round, this time taking a "no" as a "yes"

round 3: i again felt drawn to a specific card and ran the test. i got no and it was the ace.

round 4: exact same as round 3.

conclusion: i was drawn towards a specific card and it was the ace, the first card i asked about, every time, irrespective of yes or no. and from round 3-4 it seemed as if my subconscious went into negative mode and knew that i would pick the card i got a "no" on (since thats what i did in round 2) so it gave me "no" on the correct card instead of a "yes".

the mind is a tricky thing =)


"find the hidden object"/triangulation exercise on page 33:
i had someone hide something for me in a room and both times (i did the test twice) i didnt find it using the pendulum.


update 20100506
100-0 scale exercise
i asked about sig's book, how it rates as a beginners pendulum book from 0-100, 100 best and i got about 95-100 =)


update 20100507
i did the A 2 3 exercise again and found the ace on the first try.
then i gave the 3 cards to my coworker and told him to mix them up without showing me and i found the ace on the first try!

then he suggested i try with 5 cards and find a different number. i did this 2 times and failed both times.


update 20100508
i dowsed for winning lotto numbers for norsk tipping lotto tonight and got 4 correct out of 7. one of the other numbers i got was 1 off from one of the 3 additional numbers drawn. i made my own "fan" map/chart like the 0-100 chart in sigs book, but for numbers 1-34.


update 20100516
page 48
i just did the zodiac chart dowsing experience and got the following results:
* how is my love life? profound sensitivity (totally matches my personality, and this is something im working on controlling a little better)
* what makes me happy? being understood (im not sure that this is very accurate, it is important to me, but i think what really makes me happy is learning and obtaining my desires and seeing that my family is happy)
* what would be a good career (change) for me now? the pendulum went to "go to zodiac page 62", which them immediately pointed to sagittarius, so i went to that page and it gave me "philosopher" (which i think would totally fit me!)
* what health issues do i need to be aware of? forgetfulness (i at least have a very selective memory =)

but then sig writes immediately after the test these interesting words:
while it is always nice to hear something that confirms what you already know, i urge that you pay most attention to the answer(s) that dont make immediate sense. they are important and should be kept in mind during subsequent readings.

then sig suggests on page 49 that you can dowse your partners love life to see if there is anything you can do to help the relationship, and i got "soul unions"

Sunday, 2 May 2010

no evil sdddc htltb embroidered solomonic talisman shirt from Zazzle.com

i just created a no evil sdddc htltb solomonic talisman embroidered shirt from Zazzle.com.

the talisman is on the left sleeve:
s d d d c
h t l t b
s d d d c
h t l t b


the talisman is from the book of power (in the book the secret lore of magic).

Thursday, 22 April 2010

prayer experience - find the pendulum

the other day i couldnt find one of my pendulums, i tried using another pendulum to find it, but with no luck (although it was in one of the 2 places the pendulum said it was). i prayed to god that he would return it to me soon. a couple of days later my wife found it, not far from where i saw it last, and in a place i swear i looked before (i looked through the whole house!)...
thanks god

st. anthony invocation rhyme when something is lost

according to a user (kiaa gaqiaecim) on the conjure yahoo group, if you want to find something you use this invocation:
St Anthony, St Anthony
Please come around;
Something is lost
And can't be found.
ill have to try this next time i lose something.

update 20100425
my son lost something the other day and i called upon st. anthony in my mind only and i found what was lost quickly after =) thanks st. anthony!

Monday, 19 April 2010

my first hoodoo spell - honey jar sweetening spell

tonight i did my first hoodoo spell and the candle is burning as i write =) i did a honey jar sweetening love spell
the funny thing was that the only red candle i could find in the house was one made/rolled out of honeycomb =) double the sweetness!
for the oil i used a baby oil which has a special meaning between me and the person i am casting the spell on ;) (wink)
the first time i tried writing the intention around the name cross i lifted the pen accidentally so i had to start over =)
and even though my hair isnt long i was still able to tie the two hairs together =)
i forgot to take a picture of the spell paper before i put it into the honey jar....dangit!

i like the symbolism of the ring enclosing the name(s). i used cursive handwriting to completely "seal" the circle.
i also used just plain, white, lined notebook paper.

i did the spell for/on my wife because i havent really been feeling any kind of attraction from her lately, so ive been feeling lonely/unvalued (and yes i also communicate verbally my feelings too, i just wanted a booster =). this is what i managed to write in a circle around our crossed names:
desiremebeattractedtomedesiremebeattractedtomedesireme

in cursive, so the two end "desireme"'s connected, but i dont think it really matters =)
that night my wife came home from belly dancing class and i didnt notice any reaction/effect. the next day after i got home from work i was feeling really depressed for about 2 hours. i remember saying the following while doing the spell (according to the version on luckymojo: ):
As this honey is sweet to me, so will i become sweet to (my wife).

after those 2 hours of depression i went downstairs and told my wife i had been feeling depressed today "because i feel like youve been distant and we have been close or made love in a while". i dont remember exactly what she said but it was to the effect that what i said was sweet and it makes her want to be close to me, when i share my feelings like that. needless to say, we were really close the rest of the night and *really really close* after we went to bed, if you catch my drift =)

20100422
the last 2 nights ive been using red tealights because:
a) we have a lot of them
b) i keep forgetting to buy bigger candles at the store

tonight i used the symbolism of the wick and stroked it with the baby oil to add a little more energy to it =)

Saturday, 17 April 2010

my experiences with pendulum divination


i have a great little book called pendulum power (PP) that i started reading yesterday. i highly recommend it. it is packed with good practical information and instruction, has a good history of pendulum divination, stories, experiences and best of all the authors advise the student to take a scientific approach to its use. (i guess im also going to make this post a PP book review =)

i have 2 different pendulums:
* a crystal in the shape of a teardrop, its plastic and hangs from a piece of plastic fishing line
* a small brass colored metal one in the shape of a round (spinning) top or right-side-up onion with an extended point at the bottom hanging from a piece of thread. this one i purchased: the pendulum kit


i started testing my pendulum kit pendulum about 2 weeks ago (late march, early april) i think, before i started reading PP. my approach was simple:
1. dont think of the answer, dont want a particular answer
2. hold the pendulum up against my forhead while bending over so that my hand wouldnt move (it was pressed against my forehead)

experiment 1: ask questions i knew the answers to. every question i asked was answered correctly.

experiment 2: i went through a series of 34 numbers for a lotto drawing and needed 7 numbers. it answered yes on 7 different numbers, no less. 3 of them were right (1 of the 3 was an extra number. there are 2 extra numbers drawn, so a total of 9), 2 of them were 1 off and 1 of them was reversed (32 instead of 23). 1 of the numbers was also the jackpot number that needs to be drawn in order to release the jackpot.

experiment 3: i asked last night (20100417) if a relative of mine who is pregnant would have a boy and it answered yes. we'll see what happens =)

i read several interesting things in PP today:

page 12
Bovis theorized that the earth has positive magnetic currents running north to south and negative magnetic currents running east to west. ... And as Bovis claimed, adamantly, subtle currents affected all structures on the surface of the earth. He found that any body placed in a north-south axis would become more or less polarized. His researched showed that human bodies were curiously affected by these magnetic lines of force.
this made me think of how i sleep. i have been sleeping in an east-west direction for the past 2-3 years. i think ill try and switch to sleeping in a north-south to see if i can gain any positive effects. the funny this is that the 2 happiest people in our family have beds facing north-south!

vibratory currents, he discovered, emanated from the open eyes of each and every one of us.
i would really like to read more about his findings/tests/results if anybody knows where i can look? i have always wondered how we as humans, many times, can feel that someone is looking at us and this would be a possible explanation =) very interesting.


page 13
[in Paris] is an active old shop called the Maison de Radiesthesie. ... stocking the shelves with every book, pamphlet, and leaflet available on the pendulum. ... The shop also houses an incredible array of pendulums in every shape, substance, and size imaginable.
would be really cool to visit this shop! (flickr picture set) =) i think if i were to visit though i would have to do so without a credit card =)

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20100422
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simple ideomotor effect experiment

i taped the end of my pendulum string on the edge of a table, with just enough string hanging out so i could hold on to it. now it was impossible for me to physically move the pendulum. i tried doing it with my mind and it wouldnt move. when i hold the pendulum freely (not taped to the table) it moves (although i cannot see my self moving it and im trying to hold my hand still as possible).

i see the use of the pendulum as a good way to communicate with my subconcious/higher self (who for all i know can also retrieve information from the universe/other sources), so even if the moving of the pendulum is the ideomotor effect, the result, i believe, is the same.
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page 65

i did the experiment about asking which planet energies i am currently deficient in and i got "deficient" on:
moon -  i have a very selective memory; i dont like getting into habits/routines because i enjoy freedom; i would like to get better contact with my subconcious mind
sun - maybe i dont quite know what my purpose is in life right now
uranus - i feel like i am quite original, but i also like to use what works (not big on buying new clothes), maybe i need to get more modern in how i dress? and maybe i need to be even more myself around people; do and say what i really think


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20100423
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the ideomotor + aura effect

i was talking to HH today about my study of the pendulum and about the ideomotor effect and how it is crazy that even though im sure that it is me somehow moving the pendulum, that i cant see my hand moving. then he suggested that maybe the human aura/energy also helps, since it supposedly radiates a little outside of our physical body. i wonder how i could test this?


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20100425
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the pendulum telepathy experiment
last night i was reading on page 69 about how joseph and greg used telepathy to get steve to call them about something important. at the end of the chapter they write:
we hope that others will experiment along these lines so that new data can be added to this most important New Age science.
 so decided to try it =) i found a picture of my wife (it was even over 10 years old) and put it on my lap and held the pendulum over it and started the think the words "call me tonight instead of just sending an sms". the pendulum started to move around in the positive motion and then stopped like after 30 seconds only and then stood completely still for about 2-3 minutes while i continued to think those words. i did it also (implementing a scrying tip from carrol poke runyon) without blinking the entire time. my wife sent me an sms (i told her earlier to send me an sms when she got back to her hotel room safely) and i went to bed thinking i needed maybe to just practice some more. i told my wife the next day what i had tried to do and she told me she had actually thought about calling me last night =) so my telepathic message went through after all!

Friday, 16 April 2010

child messenger - out of the mouth of babes

i have been interviewing for a position in a great company, but wondering if i am going to pass the technical interview. yesterday my son FA came up to me in the kitchen and handed me the goddess guidance oracle cards book and said "dad, can you read this?" the page he was holding open for me gave me advice for *exactly* what i had been thinking and worrying about! it was amazing and exciting =)

Sunday, 11 April 2010

the case for christ review

im watching the video "the case for christ" by lee strobel.

* scholars believe jesus was born around 7 - 4 BC. wow, ive never heard that before. interesting.

Q. what other literary works are there that were written the same time as the gospels of matthew, mark, luke and john in the new testament?

according to the film, the oldest copies/sources of the new testament are:
* codex sinaiticus (AD 330-350)
*codex vaticanus
* papyrus fragment from john 18 (AD 125)


Q. homers iliad is the bible of the greeks?

Q. quotations from the early church fathers? what books/manuscripts are they referring to?

Q. what is the manuscript name for josephus' history of the jews (AD 93)?

Wednesday, 31 March 2010

the black pullet book review

im only about a fourth of the way through, but on pp 22-24 there is a really cool version of the creation of the world/universe. a little book, but really interesting so far!

update 20100411: i finished this book while on vacation in italy a couple of days ago. i found it quite interesting. i hope to get some time to "try it out".

Tuesday, 30 March 2010

prayer/meditation experience - find the ds

my son couldnt find his nintendo ds today so my wife and my son asked if i could ask my inner self to see where it was. i have been reading a book called psychic development for beginners so i used the count down 3 2 1 technique described in the book. i got 2 images in my mind of where i should look. i found the ds in the second place i felt i should look =) thank you god/universe/collective consciousness =)

healing and prayer

the other day my family was going to go on a walk, i was sick, so i stayed home, but i, for some reason, decided to ask god that they all would be safe and come home safely (i hadnt asked this for many days i dont think). my son jumped out of a tree and landed on a metal rod on his back. i was told that the doctors words were "he must have had a guardian angel" because had he landed slightly different, the rod couldve poked into his skin and punctured a lung or something. he had landed in a way that it only scraped his back (about the size of a half of a banana. my wife did a healing on him before they took an xray of his back. he hadnt broken any ribs. the next day we were to go to his doctor to change his bandage and i remember the doctor and the nurse remarking several times how odd it was that the wound had healed so quickly, they asked several times "when did this happen?" and they found it hard to believe that it happened less than 24 hours ago because the skin had attached itself so much to the mesh netting under the bandage. it took them 1.5 hours to detach it. i am glad that my prayer was answered, that my son was protected against something really dangerous and that my wife was able to speedy up his healing. my son went back to the same doctor and nurse again today for the second change of bandages and they told my wife that they had never seen anything like this rapid healing before.

grimorium verum - for hearing a pleasant music - experience

this spell/work seemed pretty straight forward and simple to implement so i tried it today. i drew the sigil of klepoth inside a circle and cut it out (cut a square around the circle so the piece of paper was a square; it was just easier and i thought id try to see if the shape was significant; i dont think it was). i recited the names out loud while sitting in the bathroom and holding the "circle". i didnt hear anything audible right away so i closed my eyes and began to meditate and listen inside of me, i quickly started hearing music in my head, but it was like i was directing the music and had composed it and decided how it should unfold. i imagined myself in a giant darkened concert hall with tons of spectators. i was standing in front of my own symphony/orchestra and conducting the most intense orgasmic display of classical music the world has ever seen. everyone in the audience started having a mass orgy (or at least with the people they were there with, not necessarily with strangers). i remember mostly a combination of piano and stringed instruments, particularly violins and chellos. it lasted for the longest time. and what was interesting was that when i tried stopping the concert it would quickly pick right up again; it was like i was in control, but at the same time i wasnt. it was to me a hint that it wasnt just my imagination/creation involved here. very very interesting and enjoyable experience! thank you klepoth (and the other 10 words/names/entities?) =)

Sunday, 28 March 2010

topics of most interest

here are some topics i seem to be particularly drawn to/interested in:
god - is god real? if so, what exactly is god like?
pendulum divination
chaos magick
goetia / evocation
telekinesis
psychology
demonology
numerology / gematria
NLP - neuro linguistic programming
self hypnosis
skrying
astral travel
ufos / crop circles
history
historical geology / evolution
cosmology
history of the lds church, specifically joseph smith
historical jesus
old testament (lack of) evidence / mythology
parapsychology
religious evidence-/science-deniers

Thursday, 25 March 2010

goetia dream working - experiment 1

last night i was reading in Qabalah, Qliphoth and Goetic Magic in the section about practical goetic magick. one of the suggestions to make contact with goetic demons was through a dream working. i put the sigil/seal under my pillow and since the entity i was going to contact was a duke, the QQGM suggested that one uses either an emerald or a carbuncle (green vs red > opposite colors) stone. since i had neither of them i used my green moldavite stone and taped it to my third eye (center of the forehead). my dream had apparently nothing to do with my dream working intention, but i recorded all the details i could remember (a lot, when you start writing right when you wake up =).

i also used a text on dream working from the book wiccan magic: inner teachings of the craft in preparation before i went to sleep.

Monday, 22 March 2010

evp farting sound during spirit board session experience

i got the movie How to Contact Spirits Vol. 2, then i did a session with a spirit board saturday night and i recorded the session with a video camera and a really good audio recorder. when i played it back after i was done i heard at one point a pretty loud farting sound for like 4 seconds, it was crazy. i would have totally heard something like that if it had been a natural sound. ill upload it when i get the time. i hadnt used a spirit board since i was in highschool, so it was fun to do it again. i did it solo and i could totally feel the planchette being pulled by a spirit. it might sound weird but it was a comforting feeling, although i dont think the person i made contact with was the person i was trying to contact because everytime i asked a question it would just go to random letters, like:
w y j i æ k

it was a homemade board. i also forgot to put numbers on it and i added some phrases to it like:
vet ikke
dårlig
bra

it was all in norwegian. well ive ordered a glow in the dark one online so we'll see if that works any different (i cant imagine it would make a difference).

Thursday, 11 March 2010

possible taste of kundalini?

i bought a shakti mat yesterday and tried it out. i couldnt stay on it for very long, and i tried many times. the reason was not because it was painful, but because when i lied down this psycho amount of energy down in my groin would quickly build up and it felt like it wanted to explode out of my body. when i got up, it would slowly fade away after a couple of minutes. i wondered if this was maybe the kundalini energy?

update: on the kundalini wikipedia page it says kundalini is "a corporeal energy - an unconscious, instinctive or libidinal force or *Shakti*, envisioned either as a goddess or else as a sleeping serpent coiled at the base of the spine"
it looks like i might be on to something =)

Tuesday, 9 March 2010

things i always thought were strange about the lds church

i grew up a member of the lds church and after a recent intense period of reading, researching and rethinking, im finally seeing it for what it is: a very wealthy church, who, for the most part are trying to teach people to do good. but it is not everything it claims to be.

here are some things ive always thought were strange (this will be an ongoing list):
* claiming how special and unique the book of mormon was and how many members there have become over the years. i always compared this claim to the koran and islam. the koran is larger and there are *way* more muslims than mormons.

* healing and prophecy. i believe these things exist. i dont think the church has the monopoly though. i was recently discussing these things with an lds friend who expressed that he believed that non-lds (or men who do not have the priesthood) who healed people were doing it by the power of the devil. i remember being taught this several times as a missionary. i always thought this was bogus. it is bogus and i think i was able to convince my friend how silly that notion is, simply by recalling the lds pioneer story about the woman who healed an ox that was wounded. the lds church doesnt teach its priesthood holders to heal animals (i think you would get called in for a meeting with the bishop if anybody heard you had done something like that) and only priesthood holders (men) give blessings (heal people). concerning prophecy, there are tons of people in and out of the church who have this gift. and what have been the real huge prophecies in my lifetime in the church? somebody asked me once and i seriously didnt have an answer. it was embarassing =)

* greatly varying opinions on sexual matters like oral sex, masturbation and birth control.
oral sex: the bottom line is noone in the church has the right to tell you what you and your wife/husband can and cant do in your bedroom. i had bishops who have said oral sex is a sin while others said that the church has no policy. my mother told me that her bishop even asked her once (or several times?) if she performed oral sex on her husband. she told him it was none of his business.
masturbation: there is literally no scripture in *any* of the lds standard works about masturbation, yet it is unanimously accepted as being a sin. but again, bishops always had a difference of opinion about its sinful severity. (i guess youre asking to yourself and giggling "how does he know?" yes. i have masturbated. masturbation is actually a great tool/help especially in relationships where the level of sexual desire of partners is very unbalanced.) i am currently reading an interesting book called masturbation: the history of a great terror. i suggest every religious person read it.

* how everyone in general conference puts on some fake voice/way of speaking while praying or giving a talk.

* why church needed to be so long?!

* why people would get their children to bear their testimony and use words like "i know". along the same lines: i could never imagine 8 year olds really being eligible to be deemed sinners and how in the world they could choose and know what they are doing when they get baptized.

* how my mission president taught how vital it was to take the sacrament, that if you died after doing something wrong and werent able to take the sacrament before you died, that somehow your repentance wasnt complete. i always thought that was ridiculous.

* how much more relaxed and open about everything in general i was compared to everyone else in the church

* how sunday never seemed to be a day of rest, especially after starting my own family. it was almost always a day of stress. thats "rest" with 2 extra s's.

* why did it matter how people dressed to come to church?

* why most of the church leaders always seemed to be rich and/or businessmen.

* why the church was never open about issues like polygamy. i never remember any lesson ever addressing this topic specifically. it was like the church was ashamed of it and tried to just keep it in the past, while it was a major part of the early church history.

* why talks and articles and even the scripture footnotes often refer to "history of the church" volumes, but these have never been available online.

to be continued...

Thursday, 4 March 2010

have lds apostles and prophets seen jesus christ like apostles of the new testament?

in his talk An Apostle’s Witness of the Resurrection, President (why wouldn't they write Prophet instead?) Howard W. Hunter says:
Paul bore his apostolic witness of the Resurrection again in his letter to the Saints at Corinth:

“Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord? … For the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.” (1 Cor. 9:1–2.)

“But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept … in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Cor. 15:20, 22.)

I humbly testify of my privilege to bear the holy apostleship and to work daily with a modern Quorum of Twelve Apostles who are disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ. We are to go forth as “special witnesses of the name of Christ in all the world.” (D&C 107:23.) And so have the Apostles always testified.

In our own day, Apostles and prophets are carrying on the work of bearing witness to the world of Jesus Christ.
you would expect Hunter to say something like:
I humbly testify that I too have seen Jesus Christ. Am I not an apostle? (Am I not the prophet of jesus christ's one and only true church?)

the lds institute program teaches that all apostles and prophets have knowledge of jesus christ (the church also teaches that knowledge is different from faith):
Remember that Amos had seen the Lord and received His message. All the prophets through the ages have had a knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and have testified of His mission

read also this thread: have the mormon apostles seen christ?

i also just found this in the primary literature:
Explain that even though we have not seen Jesus Christ, we believe he is there. We see evidence of his existence everywhere as we look at the world that he created, as we see the stars in the heavens, and especially as we read the scriptures. We also have prophets who have told us that they have seen him. Tell the children that today they will learn of someone from the Book of Mormon who had such great faith that he actually saw Jesus Christ.

"such great faith that he actually saw Jesus Christ". interesting. this implies that if an apostle/prophet today has not seen jesus christ, it is because he has not great faith.

Q. can someone please send me a link to where an lds apostle (or even a prophet) after/besides joseph smith testifies that he has physically seen jesus christ, as paul testified and as the book of mormon prophets testified?

i cannot find any evidence of this on lds.org by searching for the following phrases:
seen jesus christ
seen jesus
seen the lord

read also have you ever seen the lord? there are references to persons in ancient scripture who say they have seen the lord and also joseph smith, but no mention of anybody after joseph smith.

the same example is also found in the seminary program:
Ether 12:38–41 . We should “seek this Jesus of whom the prophets and apostles have written.” (10–15minutes)

Write Nephi, Jacob, Isaiah, brother of Jared, and Moroni on the board and ask what they have in common. Have students search 2Nephi 11:2–3 ; Ether 3:7–8, 13 ; 12:38–39 to find the answer. Display a picture of the Savior. Ask:

* Why is it important that there be people who are witnesses of the Savior?
* Who are some others who have seen the Lord? (Answers might include the Nephites who survived destruction [see 3Nephi 11:8–10 ] and the Prophet Joseph Smith [see D&C 76:22–24 ].)
what?! no mention of the current prophet and apostles? there is no mention of anybody outside of ancient scripture or ancient lds church history (joseph smith).